Saturday, October 06, 2007

On Basketball Departures

With the recent departure of JeJuan Brown, the issue of the string of players leaving Vanderbilt under Kevin Stallings has arisen yet again. I've only been following VU since 2001, but as far as I know, these are the departures since Stallings took over. Some believe that his transfer rate is rather high, but I've always argued that transfers are just a part of major college basketball. Here's who has transferred (that I know of) since CKS took over.

  • Billy Richmond: Dismissed for assaulting a co-ed.
  • Rick Jones: Dismissed for marijuana possession.
  • Bryson Kreuger: Left the team for unknown reasons before ever playing & was later dismissed for felony charges at Arizona State.
  • Brendan Plavich: left because he apparentlywanted to play PG and CKS thought he was a SG.
  • Brian Thornton: left after the terrible 3-13 season. Some have said he was a team cancer and wouldn't play help defense because he didn't want to be seen getting dunked on when watching Sportscenter.
  • Adam Payton: left on amicable terms looking for more playing time, which he got at William & Mary. The coaching staff helped him find a good fit.
  • Demarre Carroll: left supposedly to play the 3, but also had issues with the coaching staff.
  • Kyle Madsen: left for somewhat unknown reasons. Some say he was homesick and others say he didn't like what the coaches had planned for him.
  • JeJuan Brown: left for reasons completely separate from treatment of coaches.

So by my count, that's only four transfers (Plavich, Carroll, Madsen, Thornton) who left because of some kind of issues with the coaching staff. Carroll and Thornton have been noted as team cancers by some, and coincidentally or not, Vanderbilt made the Sweet 16 the year after each left. You definitively cannot blame CKS for Brown, Richmond, and Jones leaving and I don't think you can fault him for Kreuger because he never played and was later arrested at Arizona State.

To further illustrate my point that transfers are just part of the game:
a) Vanderbilt has pulled in two significant transfers under CKS (Byars and Neltner).
b) Let's look recent departures from other SEC Schools:
  1. Alabama- Avery Jukes, Verice Cloyd, Akini Adkins, Shawn Taylor, Albert Weber, Glen Miles, LaKory Daniels, Sam Haginas, Justin Jonas. (9)
  2. Arkansas- Sylvester Seay, Preston Cranford, Sean McCurdy, Berry Jordan, JJ Sullinger, Wen Mukubu, Rashard Sullivan, Kendrick Davis. (8)
  3. Auburn- Toney Douglas, Lewis Monroe, Marco Killingsworth, DeWayne Curtis, Joey Cameron, Kelvin Lewis, Brandon Robinson, Ryan Daniel, Michael Woodard, Emmanuel Lewis, Daniel Hayles, Moses Edun. (12)
  4. Florida- Teddy Dupay (gambling), Christian Dreijer (to play pro), Brandon Powell, David Huertas, Ryan Appleby, Mohammed Abukar, Mario Boggan, James White, Jimmie Sutton, Orien Green, Rashid Al-Kaleem. (11)
  5. Georgia- Channing Toney, Wayne Arnold, Marcus Sikes, Younes Idrissi, Kendrick Johnson, Steve Thomas, Mike Dean. (7)
  6. Kentucky (under Tubby)- Adam Williams, Bernard Cote, Rekalin Sims, Shagari Alleyne, Jason Parker, Marvin Stone, Myron Anthony, Corey Sears, Desmond Allison, Nate Knight, Todd Tackett, Rashaad Carruth, Adam Chiles, Michael Bradley. (14)
  7. LSU- Ross Neltner, Magnum Rolle, Ben Voogd, Kentrell Gransberry, Tack Minor, Regis Koundija, Josh Maravich, JueMichael Young, Mildon Ambres, Tim Bush, Tony Gipson. (11)
  8. Mississippi State- Richard Delk, Reginald Delk, Vernon Goodridge, Bernard Rimmer, Gary Ervin, Walter Sharpe, Jerrell Houston, Steven Cowherd. (8)
  9. Ole Miss- Justin Cerasoli, Trey Hampton, Andy Ogide, Xavier Hansbro
  10. South Carolina- Jason Parker, Dameon Kinloch, Travis Kraft, Calvin Clemmons, Jojo Cadray, Issa Konare, Marcus Morrison, Paulius Jonelunius, Stephen McDowell, Ousmane Konate, Jarrod Gerald, Keving Palacios, Greg Taylor. (13)
  11. Tennessee- Marques Johnson, Harris Walker, Terrance Woods, Boomer Herndon, Damion Harris, John Winchester, Elgrace Wilborn, Tony Passley. (8)
  12. Vanderbilt- Richmond, Jones, Kreuger, Plavich, Thornton, Payton, Carroll, Madsen, Brown. (9)

This list is by no means exhaustive and I do not know the reason for everyone transferring, but I think it illustrates that transfers happen. For further evidence, read this list.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

But I don't think anyone disputes that even healthy programs have some transfers. If you're using the transfers as an argument that Stallings needs to somehow change his operating procedure (as opposed to, say, anecdotes about why a specific person transfer, or other observations about Stallings' personality), then it's really the number of transfers isn't it?

Maybe I misread your rundown of the rest of the SEC, but it doesn't seem like (m)any schools are having as many transfers as us. Or am I misinterpreting the argument?

Will said...

1. The list isn't complete because a lot of it is done solely on memory and I haven't had time to rundown transfers from all the other schools.

2. I was trying to get at the fact that, when you take out the players who left for their own actions (Brown, Jones, Richmond, etc.), we're no different than anyone else. Maybe I shouldn't have included people like Teddy Dupay and Jason Parker on the list, but I was just trying to write down everyone I could think of and then go from there when/if I get a complete list.

THE INNOVATOR said...

Hey I saw you posted on South Carolina message board about transfers, and you guys don't hodl a candle to what has happened to us over the past seven or so years
I will post the season and who if anyone transferred, their class, and where too:


99-00- Dameon Kinloch (FR)to Tennessee Tech

00-01- (coaching change) Travis Kraft (SO) to North Dakota
Calvin Clemmons (SO) to UNC-Charlotte
Jojo Cadray (SO) to North Florida (though he was a walk on here)


01-02- Issa Konare (FR)to High Point


02-03- Marcus Morrison (FR) to JUCO then to Middle Tennessee


03-04- Paulius Jonelunius (FR) to American University

04-05- Nobody

05-06- Stephen McDowell(SO) to UT- Chattanooga


06-07- Ousmane Konate (JR) to Shaw University


Then in that time we have also had Jarrod Gerald and Keving Palacios fail out of school.

Yours Truly,

Kris DeBlasio

http://shermanaveblockparty.blogspot.com

Will said...

Thanks, Innovator.

THE INNOVATOR said...

Forgot one.

After 01-02 Greg Taylor (SO) went to Wofford